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    Domain Scam, Anatomy of a Scam, Scammer, and an Asshole(me)

    So I knew this was a scam from the very beginning thanks to some friends here on *********.ca who have already seen it.. So since I knew it was a scam right off the bat, I decided to have some fun, but also to show the relentless desperation of a scammer. I think I would have caught on quickly regardless because they make mistakes. One, as a seller I would not do an appraisal for a buyer. That is their job, period. I'm the one with the domain they want; actions speak louder than words. If someone really wants your domain they will just buy it. So here is the back and forth.
    Scammer vs. Asshole this is how the scam starts. They find find a listing on SEDO to start...

    re: boatauctio​n.mobi

    muller@brandnameservice.com

    Hello,

    We are going to purchase your domain name.

    Our company is in hosting and domain name business.

    Please email us your desired price in USD or euros for the domain name in the subject line.

    If you have other names for sale please email us your domains with prices.

    Looking forward to doing business with you.

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    I already knew by this point so I'm having fun. This name is worth something but not 100k that's for sure.
    Thanks for the interest. The price is $100,000



    Thanks, Marc Hyndman

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    LOL.... Notice the theme. It always is revolving around getting an appraisal. If someone actually wanted your 100k domain, are they really going to ask you for a cheap appraisal? I think not.
    I'm thinking about 96,000 - 98,000 USD for your domain. What do you think about this price range?

    Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:

    http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/73528619.htm

    Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

    Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

    If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

    After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

    What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?


    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply.

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    Here I am being myself
    Since appraisals are notoriously inaccurate and subjective I do not use them. If you want the name then just buy it. That would be the buyers responsibility to do an appraisal as it does nothing for me and wouldn't change my price range anyways. So you gave a fair offer. I accept your price range. The quicker you can close, the closer to 96k you can get. I am only selling the name. For payment I would require a certified cheque to clear before transfer of domain name. Thank you, Marc

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    Appraisal, appraisal, appraisal... they don't quit their scam sales pitch.
    I see, but it's a standard practice to show independent valuation to
    buyers/resellers. Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and
    have no intention of changing rules which help both parties to avoid
    additional risks.

    Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
    manual valuation is a "must" too.

    I read the following information about appraisals at

    http://www.thenamepros.com/Archive/73528619.htm


    Without the independent valuation from a trusted source we don't spend a
    penny. This is our financial policy. So our offer is just a rought estimate.
    If the appraisal comes higher we are ready to offer a bit more. If it comes
    lower we will discuss the price with you again.

    Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you.

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    Then go ahead do your valuation. Let me know what they tell you. It will not change my price. Thank you, Marc
    still having fun

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    It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
    to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
    valuation..

    Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
    years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
    it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
    now?

    As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
    buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

    I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
    simply don't want to take additional risks.


    Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to doing business with you.
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    I said go ahead do your own valuation. Let me know. I have mulitple offers so I don't need a buyer telling me what to do. Either you want the name or you don't. and if your in the domain business you should already know the valuation. ~ Marc
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    Good stuff... i like how you ask for 100k and he comes back with 96-98k.

    I would have replied and said let's forget the appraisal i will accept 95k
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    Unfortunately, we cannot proceed without the appraisal from a source
    we trust.

    There will be no deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple
    rule has saved me a lot of money and time. So I hope you will change your
    position. Let's do business the right way.
    Still hammering away at getting an appraisal. The lesson is actions speak louder than words. A true buyer will buy!

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